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Doug Smallbone



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:21 pm    Post subject: Airport  Reply with quote

By Caribbean News Now contributor

PROVIDENCIALES, Turks and Caicos Islands -- With the territory wondering what had happened to the expansion of the main airport at Providenciales, the interim government in the Turks and Caicos Islands (TCI) has now announced a $10 million expansion of the existing terminal.

In what appears to be a serious retreat from the planned $50 to 60 million expansion previously announced, the work will nevertheless add 80 percent to the size of the existing facility.

The airport expansion scheme, launched late in the former Misick administration and embraced by both political parties and the direct rule government, was previously reported to cost between $90 and 100 million. This amount included runway and apron work, which has been completed for a reported $40 million.

The expanded runway can accommodate wide body aircraft, which require longer and heavier pavement, and expanded airport aprons to park the monster planes. The enlarged terminal was to include air bridges (jetways) to ease passenger access to and from the planes.

The expansion was also slated to include a large parking facility. However, the car park has apparently been found unnecessary, as most residents do not leave their vehicles at the airport. Nevertheless, there is currently very limited parking for rental cars and short term parking. Therefore the newly announced modified plan does include an improved traffic plan and enlarged parking. This appears to be phase one.

The second phase will include additions to the existing 51,400 square foot terminal to a new total of 92,300 square feet, concentrating first on the international departure area.

The third phase will expand the domestic flight area expansion.

Not mentioned is any expansion of the baggage claim, immigration and customs areas, which at times can be crowded. Also not mentioned and seemingly cancelled are the jetways.

With the government now embracing a joint venture with UK-owned Serviceair of Texas, it appears that they and other private ground handlers will have to also expand their air-stairs vehicles.

The original plan was scheduled to include up to a $35 increase in the departure tax, which is now slightly over $100. It is hoped that this will now be tempered, as air fares have nearly doubled in the last two to three years.

The work is due to start in early 2013 and be completed in two years.

There has been no news or reported consideration of the previous international airport at Grand Turk.

International flights no longer call at Grand Turk, which in years past was the only intentional field landing flights of the long defunct Pan Am Airways. For a short period four years ago, Spirit Airlines called at both Grand Turk and Provo, carrying passengers at budget fares to and from Fort Lauderdale. Grand Turk residents must now pay $200 for a round trip ticket to Providenciales to access the international flights to the USA and other destinations

In related news, Miami International Airport has just opened its terminal expansion, which will greatly reduce the amount of walking experienced by arriving travelers from the TCI via American Airlines.

Expanded immigration, baggage and customs facilities have now reduced US visitors’ clearance time to 10 minutes. Also new is the Metro Rail train, which now arrives at the airport. For a $5 fare per person, the train will accommodate arriving and departing passengers from numerous train terminals from Miami to West Palm Beach. This train also serves the Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach airports.
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sophieccl



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:47 am    Post subject: Caicos Beach Club Reply with quote

Hi Doug,

Any news on the resort?  Is building still continuing and if so any ideas on opening date?  

Sophie
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Doug Smallbone



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sophie

Check out these 2 links

http://www.tciairports.com/pdf/RFP-for-South-Caicos-Rehab.pdf

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/pf/pf_800tech.html

If you are from the UK it is worth noting that the spec for the airport
is to include aeroplanes to Boeing 737/800 which have a flight mileage
capacity of 3,115. The T & C Mileage is approx 4,300. Make you own
judgement on the airport.

As to whether the complex is near to completion I suggest you contact
the Developer vis their attornies Rahl & Rahl.
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gh



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our main catchment area in rental income terms would be the US / Canada / South America,
for comparison its also worth noting that,

Miami = 524 nautical miles
Florida = 639 nautical miles
Venezuela (caracas) = 730 nautical miles
Montreal = 1433 nautical miles
Toronto = 1372 nautical miles
Los Angeles = 2553 nautical miles
Mexico city 1586 nautical miles
London to TC = 3610 nautical miles

The developers obviously need to make money back on this development therefore I dont think there'll be an issue with airport completion once the tendering process is complete.
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Doug Smallbone



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GH

You say "our" main catchment areas - please explain WHO exactly you are.

I purchased an apartment in 2005 with the selling agent specifically highlighting that there would be direct flights from UK to South Caicos.

My contract stated that completion would be within 30 months - before any Force Majeure.

I have asked for my deposit to be refunded continually and now get no response from the Rahls.

I get no response now from the CEO of the T & C Airport Authority.

I now have finally realised that I have been totally misrepresented if my
interpretation of the Airport spec is correct - I assume myself and many others.

To those that are within the Boeing 737/800 milage parameters good luck to you.

I will be content to have my $85.5K deposit refunded ( Block I 3rd floor purported increase form $285k to £330k or whatever ) but that is a forlorn hope as the developer is not honouring the contract detail.

GH

I will make you an offer  -  you appear very confident.

I will accept from you ( or any other person ) $60k and will assign my
purchase over.

I expect negativity.

To you all, and I know many of you have heard my name, when this debacle totally resolves itself please remember the name of Doug Smallbone and without doubt  many may wish to thank me.
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Doug Smallbone



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GH

View the link and revise your distance from T & C to London



http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/distances.html?n=739
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doug,

I am in a similar situation to yourself, a British investor looking to gain an income from my investment. I'm also confident that my contract is very similar to your own, also stating a 30 month completion cycle but there's precious little we can do at this stage in terms of refunds. If you're still contemplating a litigous route then I'd wager the project would probably complete before your case would be heard in any courtroom.

As I've stated previously I'm as disappointed with the apparent lack of progress and communication as anyone else but we can only be thankful that they're still in business. Your investment still exists.

Lets not forget there is due to be a significant decision in terms of the airport expansion soon and consequently we'll hopefully see accelerated
progress in the near future. It might provide some 'light at the end of the tunnel' for all concerned.

If your unit was in B,C,D or J then I'd consider an offer but for me block I isnt the best.

by the way the distance from the UK I posted (3610 nm) is to Provo and is correct, to cockburn town is 3706 nm. Its a point almost too trivial to argue.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GH

I despair with the ethics of you, and most that post on this site. You claim
that you are in the same position as me but you are not raging inside like me.

Can you not see that something is critically wrong that a complex is not finished since 2005 when you and I allegedly bought?

Check out Harlequin, who suffered the hurricanes.

Block I was by far the best, as price decreed. What tripe you talk.

Please make yourself overt to me.

My E Mail is:

dcsmallbone@hotmail.co.uk

I will advise on this Forum when you do this without divulging any detail that you may give me.

I think you are a "plant" put on this site ( as many are ) but you are now able to prove me wrong.

Any other person who wishes to contact me ( as I am genuine ) can via
my E Mail address.

Please advise me how many UK people on this website thought that we were to get direct flights to South Caicos.

Even if we lose our deposits let us get this "bag of worms" sorted.

Please be advised that I remain proactive and will be a major player in
bringing this episode to and end, but unfortunately, I perceive we will be all losers.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:26 pm    Post subject: I don't think we will be losers... Reply with quote

Hi Doug,

I just wanted to respond to you directly and also on the forum.  I agree that we have been led down the garden path.  There was definitely talk of direct flights from UK to South Caicos.  This is clearly not going to happen.  

However, I wholeheartedly disagree with your last comment that we will all be losers on this. I cannot accept that.  I am a single mother.  I sold my flat in the UK at the top of the housing market in 2007 and invested in this resort.  The effect the development's delay has had on my life and my child's is huge.  I was forced back into work full time when my child was a baby. I was expecting a rental income so I could work part-time.  My child is in breakfast club at 8am and I pick him up at 6pm despite the fact that he finishes school at 3.15pm and I hardly get to attend any things that happen at his school.  Half my salary goes on rent and literally have no life outside work and looking after Ollie and no disposable income.  I have massively regretted the decision to invest in this development.  I live in a maisonette above a charity shop on a busy road.  This is not what I wanted for my son.  However, what keeps me going is that I am in regular contact with the British agent who sold the property to me Robert Brown.  He has 4 apartments and is genuine.  I met with Brian Rahl in Miami before purchasing my second apartment a penthouse which put all my profit into this investment and although slow in coming back he does respond to emails.  

I do not believe there is any scam or rip off.  The only threat to our money is the project not being completed.  My understanding on the progress is this.  For the resort to be finished quickly they need investment. Before the financial crash they were offered large amount from a bank but didn't take it.  After the crash the money isn't on offer anymore.  I believe they have been trying to secure this investment but nothing so far.  As they don't have this investment the resort is continuing to be built but at snails pace.  8 men on site.  The developers have put too much into this to walk away. Provo seems to be thriving and if our apartments are worth the value of resort apartments there then we may have been the only people on the planet to make serious money in property over the last 5 years!

Doug, I do get dark moments when I feel I have lost everything.  However, logic prevails and I am trying to remain optimistic.

I have emailed Brian and Robert for an update.  Robert said he was going over to Turks in September so I will be really interested to hear what is going on.  I will post when I get an update.

Let me know if you hear of any other news.....

Best
Sophie
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doug,

Your paranoia amuses me. If you read Sophie's post you'll see that she bought through Bobby Brown, the same agent that I used and I can vouch for Sophies comments. As for me being a plant then you can email Bobby, his email address is in the public arena, he will be more than happy to confirm that I am genuine. Bobby will be relocating permanently to miami in the coming weeks and so will no doubt be able to keep a closer eye on things for all concerned.

I'd be interested if you could elaborate on why my ethics are in some way questionable ? when I merely voiced the same concerns as others already have on the forum. I'm not best pleased by the situation but people handle stress in different ways and I see no point in giving myself a stroke stressing about something I can have little influence over. You seem disappointed that I'm not incandescent with rage like yourself.

'Tripe' you say ? , if block I was the best why are there more unsold apartments available in this block right now than any other ?, even the penthouses havent sold out. The numbers dont lie Doug.

The most important point to remember, as reiterated by Sophie is that the developers have invested far too much time and money into this to walk away at this stage, they'll do their damndest to see this through. As I said in my last post Doug your investment still exists.

I'm intrigued, what actions does a 'major player' like yourself take in order to 'bring this episode to an end' ?

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